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Post by The Gambler on Sept 18, 2014 1:00:39 GMT -5
I am too damn excited for this considering it's so far off! Specialties looks great, Aranya!
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Post by Prince Orys Targaryen on Sept 18, 2014 2:19:33 GMT -5
Mmm... I don't know. Kids are taught metalbending, and Zaheer was only a novice airbender who got his ass handed to him by a real one whereas we never see Amon really do any serious waterbending, relying on martial arts for defense. Bending is a complex affair, and your skill at throwing waterblasts has no bearing on healing or bloodbending. I realize we have to simplify things for gameplay, but it seems a mistake to assume one skill has any real bearing on another.
It would be easier and more logical to just create four different systems by element, and then sit down to look over them.
Consider this.
Jing's a Northern Tribe waterbender. He can only choose ONE specialty with the Mod's approval, but that specialty has ranks separate from the core rank. He's not a psycho and he doesn't hang out with spirits, so he learns Healing. Still, he comes from a traditional household, so he chooses not to put too much emphasis on it as a dude.
Bending combat:Competent
Mundane combat: Novice
* Bloodbending: N/A
* Healing: Beginner
* Spirit: N/A
* Plantbending: N/A (Unlike Bloodbending or Spiritbending, I imagine any waterbender could learn this, but its just a different environment.)
Other options:
Earthbending
*Metalbending
*Lavabending (I suspect Lavabending actually requires firebending heritage like Bolin has. We never get Ghazan's backstory, but it makes a hell of a lot of sense.)
*Sandbending
Firebending:
*Lightningbending: (This one logically would require a HIGH level of natural firebending skill. There are no nonbadass lightning users ever shown, so it might not really be a good choice for a specialty.)
*Flight: (It's not as perfect as the airbending version, but firebenders HAVE demonstrated this trick, with and without Sozin's comet. Azula uses it in The Boiling Rock, and Ozai uses it again in the finale.)
*Combustion bending: (This is also a terrible choice for a specialty, as I'm afraid we never learn where it comes from. Still, it's not dependant on actual firebending skill, since Sparky Sparky Boom Man never uses it.)
Airbending:
Flight: (It's conceivable any airbender with appropriate spiritual training could learn this, regardless of their base ability. It's also not that OP, when Firebenders already have a similar ability.)
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Post by The Gambler on Sept 18, 2014 11:40:12 GMT -5
Hmm that actually makes a lot of sense. You could have the specialties as their own skills that level up individually, just with the prerequisite that you need the corresponding bending and only get one. That way the avatar could still pick one specialty from the list (or each element depending on how op you want to make him).
You could also do the same thing with "mundane combat" with chi blocking, knife throwing, sword fighting, ect all as specialties.
Then for some of the skills you'd need special rules. For example, with chi blocking, you'd need something like "if the chi blocker beats a bending opponent's roll by over 30, the opponent can't use his/her bending for a full round"
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Post by The Gambler on Sept 18, 2014 12:51:10 GMT -5
I'll tackle the rest of the big questions later when I'm not on my phone, but for now id say the equality shock glove is more melee than ranged weapon. Other than that, it all looks awesome.
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Post by Prince Orys Targaryen on Sept 18, 2014 14:07:25 GMT -5
I'm not 100% sure Lavabending requires Firebending heritage, it just makes a hell of a lot of sense to me. Alas Ghazan died and we'll never get confirmation. Anywho, the ability is SO overpowered, we probably won't have to deal with it. As for Tenzin and Kya... Maybe? We'll know if either of them tries cloudbending.  As for Airbending Flight requiring Legendary, I have to disagree. Yes, I agree, its nigh-impossible, but it clearly has very different requirements than just being good at Airbending, otherwise Zaheer would never have gotten it. But again, I can't see us really needing to deal with this anyway. |
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Post by The Gambler on Sept 18, 2014 14:16:51 GMT -5
I'd argue flight likely requires a high level of spirit in addition to air bending, as Zaheer wasn't the best airbender in the world but he had incredible spiritual mastery. Maybe some specialties would have prerequisites in more than one ability. For example, for calming an angry spirit you'd need competent water bending (as we've only seen water benders do it) and something like expert spirit. Then for flight you'd need master or grandmaster spirit and expert airbending. Something like that. Even lightning technically has a spiritual requirements as it doesn't so much need an amazing firebender as it does someone with good control of their inner-turmoil. So maybe apprentice spirit and expert fire bending for that?
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Post by Foo Foo Cuddly-poops on Sept 18, 2014 15:06:00 GMT -5
I like this idea of the joint spirit and bending skills needed for some of the specialities, puts another limit on some of the things people can do within reason.
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Post by Prince Orys Targaryen on Sept 18, 2014 15:32:30 GMT -5
I'd argue flight likely requires a high level of spirit in addition to air bending, as Zaheer wasn't the best airbender in the world but he had incredible spiritual mastery. Maybe some specialties would have prerequisites in more than one ability. For example, for calming an angry spirit you'd need competent water bending (as we've only seen water benders do it) and something like expert spirit. Then for flight you'd need master or grandmaster spirit and expert airbending. Something like that. Even lightning technically has a spiritual requirements as it doesn't so much need an amazing firebender as it does someone with good control of their inner-turmoil. So maybe apprentice spirit and expert fire bending for that? Yeah, this is also my thinking. It's worth mentioning that waterbending explicitly derives from the Moon and Ocean spirit, which explains a lot of things, like healing, Amon's abilities, and Unalaq in general. Spiritualism is MUCH bigger in air and water bending cultures compared to others. I would argue lightning has far more to do with self-control and training, considering Azula and Ozai could use it, and they're about as far as you can get from 'spirtually enlightened.' |
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Post by The Gambler on Sept 18, 2014 16:28:18 GMT -5
Well you could always do bonuses based on nation. Like air benders get +10 to spirit rolls, fire benders get +10 to sword rolls, ect.
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Post by Varryn Targaryen on Sept 18, 2014 17:34:03 GMT -5
I think we need a site link to be able to verify all of this as we go along.
*nod*
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Post by Prince Orys Targaryen on Sept 18, 2014 23:46:11 GMT -5
Maybe I'll make Airbending Flight easier after all (i.e. not Legendary) just because I realized that Airbending has no cool specialties compared to the other elements. Yeah, I struggled finding cool specialties, besides transcendental meditation. Mind you, meditation is a kickass power, but while very Air Nomad-esque, it's not really directly connected to Airbending itself. |
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Post by The Gambler on Sept 19, 2014 18:35:06 GMT -5
Didn't something say they have sound bending as a potential specialty?
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Post by Morys Martell on Sept 19, 2014 18:58:41 GMT -5
How about sword bending?....am I right? Amirite guys?
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Post by Prince Orys Targaryen on Sept 19, 2014 21:01:30 GMT -5
Didn't something say they have sound bending as a potential specialty? Canonically, the closest thing is when Aang or Tenzin would apply airbending to a whistle. Still, if we're able to create specialties...  |
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Post by Foo Foo Cuddly-poops on Sept 19, 2014 22:15:18 GMT -5
Could an air bending specialty possibly be a form of bloodbending where someone is bending the oxygen within the bloodcells?
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Post by The Gambler on Sept 19, 2014 22:32:03 GMT -5
Zaheer's "sucking the air out of someone's lungs" move is as close as we'd get to that. Lets wait and see what the new season introduces.
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Post by Morys Martell on Sept 19, 2014 23:44:10 GMT -5
Think of it this way. Air benders get to essentially force choke people. That's as cool as bloodbending imo.
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Post by Foo Foo Cuddly-poops on Sept 20, 2014 0:31:06 GMT -5
I was just thinking in terms of specialties, force choking someone is just air bending as far as I'm concerned.
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Post by Prince Orys Targaryen on Sept 20, 2014 2:40:07 GMT -5
Honestly, any airbender could probably do it assuming A) The airbender in question isn't a pacifist and b) The target is in no position to defend themselves. Notice Zaheer only targeted a defenseless old woman and a dying, exhausted, and injured Korra. Also, it takes time for a human body to die of suffocation.
In terms of difficulty, it is miles away from even the weakest version of bloodbending.
Then again, I can see Zaheer getting MUCH better at it next season.
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Post by The Gambler on Sept 21, 2014 1:05:33 GMT -5
I'm not so sure any airbender could do it. Seems like a pretty complex task to specifically draw out the air from someone's lungs. I'd say that'd take expert at least.
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Post by Foo Foo Cuddly-poops on Sept 21, 2014 11:04:42 GMT -5
Yeah either way this would be pretty precision bit of bending to require a higher level of skill, just trying to find suitable specialties to air benders don't get a short end of the stick.
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Post by Morys Martell on Sept 21, 2014 12:14:25 GMT -5
Air blade specialty? Use air to slice apart things around you and specialize in using this ability offensively?
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Post by The Gambler on Sept 21, 2014 17:10:20 GMT -5
Well fire benders do that too. That's probably be a combo of bending and sword abilities.
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Post by Prince Orys Targaryen on Sept 21, 2014 19:20:41 GMT -5
Soulbending is a different element altogether. Unless you find that one lion turtle or you're the Avatar, you can pretty much rule that one out.
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Post by Foo Foo Cuddly-poops on Sept 21, 2014 19:52:40 GMT -5
Sound bending not soul bending..
I'm not entirely sure what you mean by a higher bonus, but I don't think a higher tiered specialty should get much more of a bonus towards rolls or what not. I don't think a person who just achieved blood bending would get a higher bonus then someone who has been healing for quite awhile. Though just disregard if I'm off track.
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all alone and also really bored 
Hopefully going to kickstart the festival too
Jul 3, 2014 12:43:09 GMT -5