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Post by Vhagar on Dec 30, 2013 3:49:36 GMT -5
Horas and I were talking about the Valyrian religion and he reminded me that the Conqueror's dragons - Balerion, Vhagar and Meraxes - are named after Valyrian gods. So that makes me think that maybe Rhaenyra's dragon from The Princess and the Queen, Syrax, is likely also named after a Valyrian god since it fits the same naming pattern. Should we assume that all the dragons with distinctly Valyrian names - Tyraxes, Corion, etc - in our game are also named after Valyrian deities? That makes sense to me. When I read the novella I assumed that any dragon with the "xes" in their name probably have Valyrian names and probably most of the others as well. |
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Post by The Gambler on Dec 30, 2013 3:51:22 GMT -5
Yeah I was discussing this with Marie when we came up with the names. At the very least I'm considering anything with a "X" in it to be Valyrian.
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Post by The Gambler on Dec 30, 2013 4:01:49 GMT -5
Makes sense to me. If someone wants to take the lead on that one, be my guest.
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Post by Varryn Targaryen on Dec 30, 2013 4:05:31 GMT -5
Aye aye cap'n.
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Post by Vhagar on Dec 30, 2013 4:23:24 GMT -5
Makes sense to me too. I have a suggestion regarding Valyrian love goddesses that I will share when I get to use Adara i.e. mostly because I wanted to use it for the dragon she doesn't have yet. I will await suggestions regarding which is which with great curiosity! May I suggest Vhagar for a goddess of war role? Mostly because I love Queen Visenya!
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Post by Maekar on Dec 30, 2013 7:32:42 GMT -5
How are we going to do giving someone a ride on a dragon? Because I got the impression from the books that when they say "a dragon only accepts one rider" they mean just that; no other person will be able to mount that dragon and survive, regardless of if its rider is there. Am I wrong about this? Because it seems like everyone is offering their Dragons up to be used as the Concorde, and I don't understand how that can be consistent with the idea that dragons will kill 99% of people that try to sit on them...
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2013 7:47:08 GMT -5
Regarding gods, one would assume Balerion to be one of the major ones, perhaps even the main god.
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Post by Vhagar on Dec 30, 2013 8:42:09 GMT -5
How are we going to do giving someone a ride on a dragon? Because I got the impression from the books that when they say "a dragon only accepts one rider" they mean just that; no other person will be able to mount that dragon and survive, regardless of if its rider is there. Am I wrong about this? Because it seems like everyone is offering their Dragons up to be used as the Concorde, and I don't understand how that can be consistent with the idea that dragons will kill 99% of people that try to sit on them... I had the impression that a dragon will accept a passenger with their usual rider, but not otherwise, and especially not if they are already bonded to a dragon of their own. Rhaenyra's son has a dragon but is killed when he tries to ride Rhaenyra's dragon Syrax due to being separated from his own mount. But Alys Rivers is a passenger with her lover (Aemond?) before the duel at Harrenhal. So I feel that the passenger has to be someone trusted by the rider and the dragon has to accept them. Obviously the dragon needs to be big enough for 2 riders and accustomed to being ridden as well. Also, good point, Daenya. I agree. Balerion as the king of the gods. |
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Post by Maekar on Dec 30, 2013 9:13:29 GMT -5
That's the only instance where that happens though, and Alys was his lover, pregnant with his child, AND a magic seer to boot. It just seems silly to me that dragons are so fierce and independent and dangerous to would-be riders yet once they've been ridden they consent to become beasts of burden?
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Post by Vhagar on Dec 30, 2013 9:35:35 GMT -5
That's true. I think it's clear that the passenger must be someone trusted by the rider and the dragon must agree to accept the rider. My suggestion is that there will need to be rolls for both the rider and the passenger to determine the success of such a venture. I strongly discourage offering another character a dragon ride unless they are lovers, parent and child or share another extremely close bond. For example, I've said that Laena has allowed granddaughter Taena to ride with her on the odd occasion as they have a close relationship. It won't go down well if someone offers their dragon for pleasure flights. I know that Varryn's mission will go more speedily if he gets to fly to the Wall but I would strongly advise him to interact with the person he hopes to travel with , AND their dragon. Above all, there must be a strong bond between the 2 humans else there is even less chance the dragon will allow it. Let's keep passenger flights for important instances.  |
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Post by Maekar on Dec 30, 2013 9:38:15 GMT -5
Yeah, that's what I'm thinking. I like the idea of a roll, from both humans, to see if it will be allowed.
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Post by The Gambler on Dec 30, 2013 12:20:22 GMT -5
That's the only instance where that happens though, and Alys was his lover, pregnant with his child, AND a magic seer to boot. It just seems silly to me that dragons are so fierce and independent and dangerous to would-be riders yet once they've been ridden they consent to become beasts of burden? Actually Lord Ronnel Arryn was famed for getting to take a ride upon Vhagar with Queen Visenya as a boy. That part was a canon, not something I made up. My feeling is that the dragon only really cares about who is at the reins/ holding the whip. I do agree that a roll will be required to see if it accepts someone else, but not to it being this near-impossible thing to attempt. |
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Post by Vhagar on Dec 30, 2013 12:47:38 GMT -5
The Ronnel Arryn story is pretty well known - I knew there was another canon example I'd forgotten!
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Post by Maekar on Dec 30, 2013 17:02:57 GMT -5
Um, Maelys, I'm a Knight Inquisitor. Goldcloaks, even their Commander, have no authority over me whatsoever. I will disrespect your authoritah as often as I please  |
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Post by Nyessos Qhaedar on Dec 30, 2013 17:15:09 GMT -5
Actually... I'd say they have almost the same patent but there'd be some kind of attrition between the factions ideologies. |
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Post by Nyessos Qhaedar on Dec 30, 2013 17:28:58 GMT -5
BTW... Are we to assume the City Watch are already known as Gold Cloaks? I always thought it was part of the Baratheon reformation.
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Post by Erik on Dec 30, 2013 17:33:42 GMT -5
They're referred to several times in the Princess and the Queen as Gold Cloaks, if I recall.
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Post by Vhagar on Dec 30, 2013 17:36:31 GMT -5
Let's stick with it. It's probably just easier. Then we can distinguish between the City Watch and the household guard. I have always found it odd that Robert has no "Baratheon men" of his own.
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Post by Nyessos Qhaedar on Dec 30, 2013 17:36:48 GMT -5
Oh... Ok then! Haven't got my hands on it yet.
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Post by Erik on Dec 30, 2013 17:40:21 GMT -5
I doubt Robert would worry much about a household guard. He'd rather fight any sumbitch that came after him himself.
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Post by Vhagar on Dec 30, 2013 17:45:08 GMT -5
Well yeah but Robert's castle is crawling with Lannisters!
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Post by Erik on Dec 30, 2013 17:50:17 GMT -5
Well Renly had some guards in the city, didn't he? Presumably Stannis did as well, before leaving. Could be Robert just left it up to his brothers.
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Post by Horas on Dec 30, 2013 17:53:36 GMT -5
I think the theory is that all guards are the king's guards, no matter what colors they are wearing. Though maybe less so in practice than theory.
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Post by Vhagar on Dec 30, 2013 17:57:25 GMT -5
Perhaps he did. It just struck me as odd.
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Post by Maekar on Dec 30, 2013 18:14:29 GMT -5
Robert's 'Baratheon men' were really Renly's men. When he gave Storm's End to Renly, he also gave command of the Stormlords and their knights and the Baratheon household guards to Renly.
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