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Post by Vhagar on Jul 16, 2014 17:29:59 GMT -5
I've asked Rhaena to check this thread out. Just thought I'd mention what was said when she and I talked yesterday.
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Post by Nyessos Qhaedar on Jul 16, 2014 17:45:33 GMT -5
I think the word you were looking for is "Fabulous".
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Post by Daemon Waters on Jul 16, 2014 18:58:38 GMT -5
Yes, that's it... fabulous.
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Post by Queen Rhaena Targaryen on Jul 17, 2014 0:29:09 GMT -5
I wasn't departing kings landing until I knew stuff that needed to be happening were sorted. I waited a week in the three threads I needed for people to tag me back, and they did not, I am not gonna swan off somewhere and do stuff before the things that needed sorting here were done. It's not a matter of being queen, ic queen does not mean I can leave somewhere before threads that have started before I leave come to a close.
After checking back several times to see if anything was happening, for as I said about a week, I just didn't check back that much more. Cause tbh, I thought the game was dead.
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Post by Queen Rhaena Targaryen on Jul 17, 2014 0:34:47 GMT -5
I just checked, in case some mishap had happened and people tagged that I was not aware of, and in every thread, but one, I am waiting on other people, except one, that baelon replied to me last night from a tag I left him... On 03/07/14
So, no... You're not waiting on me.
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Post by Erik on Jul 17, 2014 7:38:28 GMT -5
My bad. I figured the conversation had trailed off to where we could leave it at that.
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Post by The Black Dread on Jul 17, 2014 8:31:16 GMT -5
What else has to be discussed in that conversation though? Isn't the decision made already? And even if it isn't, what actions could they take that would affect it? Tell them what to do, and they'll do it. Pyke is pretty clearly gone, but you have an NPC son and all you have to do is tell him what to do in that thread, and he'll do it.
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Post by Queen Rhaena Targaryen on Jul 17, 2014 12:28:14 GMT -5
well, I don't know that do I. I wouldn't want to take away from anyone else the chance to raise something, and tbh, it's bad form to leave threads unfinished like that. I think it is unfair for you to pin the lack of movement on the game on me, when I was waiting on three unfinished threads.
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Post by flex on Jul 17, 2014 13:16:34 GMT -5
I'll post soon.
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Post by Queen Rhaena Targaryen on Jul 17, 2014 14:45:46 GMT -5
I'm not pushing people to post, I just don't want the black dread turning round and blaming his failing game on me :/
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Post by The Gambler on Jul 17, 2014 15:00:43 GMT -5
No one is blaming anything on anyone. As I said, a slowdown during the summer was expected. It's perfectly fine to want to finish threads, but as you have such a vital role, I think it's also perfectly acceptable for us to expect you to take initiative in getting them done and moving your royal plans forward. I expect things to be slow at the moment, but as you have arguably the most important PC role it's a little disconcerting for you to just give up checking rather than nudge for your tags. So yes, push people to post of they're around. Command, Your Grace
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Post by Queen Rhaena Targaryen on Jul 17, 2014 15:33:32 GMT -5
I don't push people to post, that's not what I do, if people want to they will, I am not gonna make people do things they don't want to do.
As I said, I was in four threads that were left unfinished, the one where it was me actually having to post doing stuff, which was all now know, because the black dread told everyone even though it was in the faction board, is leaving kings landing, was waiting specifically for baelon to stop posting on the train he was doing down about who we should be talking to. i don't know if he is going to say more, make more arguments, maybe say something that would make her change her mind, so it's silly for me to swan off leaving the conversation where we talk about going half done.
Also, as far as I was concerned I was a player like any other, but if I have this adminesque power to move people, that's different, but me, as a player, posting just turning up and leaving places on behalf of people, especially leaving, undermines their ability to disobey what I am saying, maybe someone wanted to rp not turning up cause they jumped shipped to dorne? if I post that we all leave and then start rping immediately elsewhere saying they're there, it stops that from happening, it was that kind of thing that caused the retcons in mark 1.
but if you want me to just move people like a chess board with them having no say, fine, I'll chess board away.
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Post by Queen Rhaena Targaryen on Jul 17, 2014 15:37:14 GMT -5
I think I should also point out, I have a chunk of the players and 2 of the admins on facebook and skype, if I was singlehandedly stalling the whole world... you can send me a nudge.
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Post by The Gambler on Jul 17, 2014 15:39:27 GMT -5
I never said you were stalling the game or that you had adminesque power, so don't put words in my mouth. All I said was to take some initiative rather than twiddling your thumbs waiting. That goes for all players, but especially those with vital PC roles, such as yourself.
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Post by The Black Dread on Jul 17, 2014 15:44:36 GMT -5
Isn't the entire point of being the monarch the fact that you get to move other people around like chess pieces? That's like the only part of being in charge that isn't a giant goddamn pain in the ass lol
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Post by Queen Rhaena Targaryen on Jul 17, 2014 15:45:54 GMT -5
That wasn't aimed at you. Did you even read my post? Not even admins can just move people, why should I? The most I can do is post a leaving thread and see if the others post there, but I already explained why I did not do that.
I clearly have more respect for player autonomy than you do.
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Post by Queen Rhaena Targaryen on Jul 17, 2014 15:48:51 GMT -5
I am not an ooc monarch. I am not just going to assume everyone in my faction board it loyal either, as I said. I can tell people to move, but it's not like I can pick them up and physically move them. why is this so hard to understand. Are you actually trying to say that being a PC monarch means I can OOC move people and potentially undermine their player decisions. I do not assume people are just going to do as I say, OOC because I am the IC queen. it's not about being a monarch, it's about the other players.
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Post by The Black Dread on Jul 17, 2014 15:49:23 GMT -5
Well you can't just say "And then Lyonel Harroway flew to Winterfell on the back of a giant goose" but you could say "And then Rhaena flew to Pentos with her expedition/crew" and the players who are encompassed in that group would be brought along since the members of the group have already been determined.
And also, if player autonomy means everyone sitting around and doing nothing, then yes I don't have that much respect for it. This game is player-driven, which is why I HAVEN'T been just doing things and instead waiting for the timeline to be appropriate before I post anything so as to avoid pissing anyone off.
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Post by The Black Dread on Jul 17, 2014 15:50:52 GMT -5
If you post that your expedition is leaving to go to KL, and one of those players complains that they haven't had enough time to do their own secret shit, that's just tough for them. They are servants to the Queen's schedule, they leave when she wants to leave. Additionally, since nobody has been posting anything, nobody has any right whatsoever to claim that they were rushed into doing something without being able to play their characters the way they want.
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Post by Queen Rhaena Targaryen on Jul 17, 2014 15:53:58 GMT -5
You are entirely missing me point.
I am saying it denys them the option of coming at all. Say MAegor was part of the party, he may say to me he is going, and then fly off to winterfel on his own. I cannot then post us all leaving and arriving in pentos.
Why is this so hard for you to grasp? They may be servants to what the queen wants, but they can not so as I say... even if that is a foolish thing to do.
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Post by Foo Foo Cuddly-poops on Jul 17, 2014 16:29:57 GMT -5
To Zack, from Visenya: Attachments:
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Post by The Black Dread on Jul 17, 2014 16:49:55 GMT -5
If Maegor planned to go against your orders he would have to have posted something to that effecteffect. Since he did not, then he is not.
You also had the option to cut him out of the conversation. He never showed up, so Rhaena spoke to atraegon instead. Problem solved. You wanted to be queen,so be the queen. Be proactive instead of reactive.
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Post by Queen Rhaena Targaryen on Jul 17, 2014 16:55:25 GMT -5
he was an example, and the thing is, I do not know that he is not. I only see what I am allowed to see, in faction and public. I do not know what other people are doing, planning.
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Post by The Black Dread on Jul 17, 2014 17:04:03 GMT -5
But you don't have to tailor your actions around what people are doing in private. If someone in tour party was actually doing something and you rushed them along, wed simply ask you to slow down so that person could finish what they're doing.
Not RPing because other people might be doing in private seems counter intuitive.
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Post by Queen Rhaena Targaryen on Jul 17, 2014 17:09:52 GMT -5
no. I am not saying I should be. I am saying I cannot arrive everyone leaving a place I don;t know for certain they are. I am not making actions for other players.
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